RNZ: Nine To Noon | 13 May 2020 | 0h 27m | Listen Later | iTunes
Interview with David Kilcullen about his book The Dragons and the Snakes: How the Rest Learned to Fight the West. Argues that state threats, (like Russia and China) and non-state threats (like terrorist organisations) now overlap and intersect. And they’ve learnt from each other, enabling them to outmanoeuvre conventional military tactics, with new methods like political manipulation and cyber militias.