Many Minds | 11 March 2026 | 1h 08m | Listen Later
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Interview with Rob Dunn about his book The Call of the Honeyguide: What Science Tells Us about How to Live Well with the Rest of Life. Discusses the idea of mutualism – in which two or more species benefit each other – and how human life is sustained by mutualisms all the way down; considers how the benefits of mutualism are measured – whether in terms of biological fitness, or longevity, or pleasure; the best-documented cases of humans collaborating with other species to find honey or hunt; how our liaisons with yeasts have shaped human history – and how we might even say that yeasts domesticated us; our relationships with dogs and cats and the benefits we get from them; what it would mean to more fully embrace our mutualisms to create “a less lonely future.” Touches on cheese, worms, and maggots; bread, beer, and honey; face mites and armpits; parasites, inquilines, and commensals; what sauerkraut does to our immune systems; honeyguides and dolphins, leopards and house cats; morbid curiosity; and how dogs might give us a kind of access to our subconscious.
See other episodes with Rob Dunn. I loved this and will be looking for more.