The Ezra Klein Show | 1 June 2020 | 1h 39m | Listen Later | iTunes
Interview with Rutger Bregman about his book Humankind: A Hopeful History. Argues that human nature is kinder, friendlier, and more decent than generally thought and that a new world could be built atop that understanding. Discusses the deeply social, egalitarian lives of hunter-gatherers; whether the advent of human civilization was a huge mistake; whether humans have a common nature; the implications of the Holocaust; whether we can build a society without CEOs, politicians, and bureaucrats; and more.